We talked in class today about how Holden
is very privileged. We learn about the wealth he has. Holden goes to a fancy
preparatory school, and seems to have all the cool clothes. He has the cool
camel fur coat, as well as the coat he gives to his roommate who wants to look
nice for his date. We talked in class about how Holden is rejecting his
privilege by failing his classes at Pencey Prep. However, I believe there is
also a part of him that is owning up to his privilege by doing so.
Most
people would probably attempt to make the most of their stay at an expensive
private school that could set them up for a successful post education life.
However, Holden barely feels that need. Holden and Mr. Spencer have an
interesting conversation about Holden’s future, as Spencer wants to say
goodbye, before Holden is kicked out. Mr. Spencer says, “Do you feel absolutely
no concern for your future, boy?” (Salinger 14). Holden responds, “Oh, I feel
some concern for my future, all right. Sure. Sure, I do. But not too much, I guess. Not too much, I
guess.” (Salinger 14). Spencer responds, “You will, boy. You will when it’s too
late.” Holden then thinks to himself, “I didn’t like hearing him say that. It
made me sound dead or something.” (Salinger 14). I do not believe that Holden
completely accepts his privilege, because an important idea of this chapter is
how Mr. Spencer makes him feel sad because of his future. But, there is a small
part of me that realizes that by rejecting his privilege he is also accepting
it.
I
believe Holden knows that he can still succeed in the world even if he gets
kicked out of the prep school he can still succeed. In our most recent reading
he constantly talks about his wealth by saying how “loaded” he is. Also, the
major sense of his wealth comes after his idea to leave Pencey early. I think
this acts as a reminder of how he can succeed without the school.
There
is a lot to be said about the future of Holden. We have seen him act against the
rules of the “Game of Life,” but honestly, he seems to know how to interact
with people well. Although he ends up yelling at Ackley, he only did it at a
certain point where Ackley wouldn’t understand otherwise. Although he doesn’t
like speaking to his teacher Mr. Spencer, it isn’t because of his dislike for
him and rudeness. It is just because of the topic of conversation. Holden would
be okay just “shooting the bull,” with Mr. Spencer, as he hates the serious
conversation. On his phone call with a random person Holden acts very smooth,
and to me it’s impressive how much of a conversation he got out of someone so
late at night who he has never met and has almost no connection with. We have
seen Holden act as a good conversationalist and I think that will help him a
lot in his life. It’s interesting how “shooting the bull,” meaning just to
speak the regular speak, being respectful, and the bullshit we say to our
elders. And how he says the game is bullshit, but plays it anyway. I think this
way out to be a successful speaker Holden, but still a rebel. Do you guys think
Holden could still be successful even after failing Pencey?
I think Holden's perceptiveness, and his talent for writing demonstrated in the essay he wrote for Stradlater, could set Holden up for sucess later in his life even with being kicked out of school
ReplyDeleteI think that the question posed brings up a few other questions. Does Holden even want to be successful? What does success mean to Holden? I think that we can see that Holden has some appreciation for what he deems "real" art. I think with some determination, Holden could be successful in our sense of the word. However success to Holden is a completely different concept. I think he may see success as breaking out of the system, which he has failed to completely do due to his parents. In this sense of the word, I think Holden can become successful once he becomes an adult, or "comes of age".
ReplyDeleteI agree with Jack. I also think that some kids I guess just don't do really work in a school setting and I think Holden is one of those kids. But the thing is Holden has something to fall back on, majority kids don't. In that way he needs to acknowledge his privilege.
ReplyDeleteI agree with much of what Kathryn said. Obviously he appreciates the cushy life that comes with his family's wealth, but also, money doesn't seem to have value to him (I guess that too is a sign of privilege). Obviously when Holden describes his brother D.B. as a prostitute, he doesn't mean it kindly, which shows that he appreciates art over wealth. AND YET AGAIN, that's a sign of privilege. I think the conclusion that I've come to is that Holden will never be able to escape his privilege. I mean, he does end up writing the novel we're reading which means he was successful at least in terms of his artistic goals.
ReplyDeleteIt seems to me that Holden is throwing away his opportunities for success as he gets kicked out of more and more schools. However, he is very privileged and his family seems to be able to support him in these expensive schools despite his lack of motivation and desire to take his future into his own hands.
ReplyDeleteI feel like Holden does not really have a sense of what he wants to do in life, as he hasn't really talked about it in detail. However, because of his privileges and money, I'm sure he could get a job through his parents or something. Still, I don't think that means he can just drop out of school -- as that is something most kids can't afford to do.
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